Curse

romeo_longsword · Feb 09, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Been playing the ranger since day one, and that’s for two weeks now, my experience in looking for group to farm or to do missions has always been difficult.

Although, I have been grouping with a pack of rangers, we actually did very well among ourselves, but in the general impression of the ranger, are very undesirable and useless.

To pull monsters, warriors using a bow does the same job, in contrast, the ranger can not tank.

Valerius · Feb 09, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Trapping groups have always worked well for me...

Sol_Vie · Feb 09, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Rangers are jacks of all trades. I've healed, ran, tanked, spiked, done DoT, inflicted conditions, interrupts...

Rangers are a great class, but it can be hard to get a good hold on them. What are some of the specific problems you're having with your ranger, other than not being able to get into a group?

Ashleigh McMahon · Feb 09, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

I agree to a slight degree. Although, can warriors ( even with gladiators energy amor) lay numerous deadly traps? Can warriors afford to put points into ranger attributes? Can warriors get elemental resistant armor? Can warriors create high energy cost rituals without taking almost all of there energy? I think i've stated enough, although some people may disagree.

Ash.

xxSilhouette · Feb 09, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

There are just more of them in the game now, there are pleantly of rangers and warriors - so i think thats why its harder to find a group for one of those classes.

I personally love them though, like Sol said, they have many different builds - and are just fun.

Sol_Vie · Feb 09, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Hehe playing healer on a ranger is hard- but fun.

(Healing Spring ftw.)

romeo_longsword · Feb 09, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

I am gald to hear there are ranger supporter, but I think on the common level, people want to see either somebody would can hold his own ground and take hits, or somebody who can heal, somebody who can do direct damage, and many more that people who do not have a understanding of the ranger would expect.

I usually cause posion and bleeding and slowing the mods, but thing is, these are combat elements that people would not appericate that much as it does not have a contrasting direct display, on the other hand, the warrior has.

I also aim to be good at interupe spell casters and other offesive moves such as the gaint stomp, but again, people would appericate more if they see you killing the thing instead of perventing it doing somthing.

Trap wise, many actually dislike it, although it can be powerful, but due to the time it require to set up, and not every group would have the same pattern in farming to allow you applying traps, they become very situational, and which become lesser in value.

Numa Pompilius · Feb 09, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by romeo_longsword

Been playing the ranger since day one, and that’s for two weeks now

Well, thing is, rangers start out rather weakish, and after two weeks you're likely still early in the game. Much like mesmers they don't really shine until they've goot a good number of skills & preferably a couple of elites under their belt. Later in the game both mesmers & rangers do well.

romeo_longsword · Feb 09, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Well, thing is, rangers start out rather weakish, and after two weeks you're likely still early in the game. Much like mesmers they don't really shine until they've goot a good number of skills & preferably a couple of elites under their belt. Later in the game both mesmers & rangers do well.

Nope, I completed the game for a week, and have been looking for a group farming since.

Just speaking to a guild members now, she said, ppl only look for ss mm and nukers, nobody take ranger for farming. A dispointing fact to me.

Thock · Feb 09, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Actually in the new UW people are forming "barrage groups." Get a decent group and you can get through the whole thing in an hour and a half.

Then there is the good ole UW Trapping. Not as good as it used to be, now that ecto drop rate seems to be once an eon.

EDIT: Just noticed you are on euro servers so the barrage ranger groups might not have become popular there. Basic setup is 4 Barrage Rangers with Pets, 1 Minion Master, 1 Orders Necro, 2 Monks. Rangers usually bring Favorable Winds and Winnow.

DarkCloud · Feb 09, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Rangers and Mesmers are awesome in PVP, but in PVE there rather weak imo. I have a ranger in PVE and it is like impossible to find pug grps. But good thing i got guildies to rush me through the game in like 2-3days. :P

Amsterdam · Feb 09, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Problem is, people stick to cookie cutter builds all the time, i.e 2 tanks, 2 nukers, 2 monks, Various SS and MM combinations, sometimes a barrage ranger or int ranger, thats usually about it

FoW you can usually find groups if you are a barrage ranger
UW, you are out of luck unless you go witha trap group, which is farily popular, but slow.
SF: MM, SS, HEALER, PROT, STANCE TANK... out of luck again
Tombs UW: maybe if you are a barrage ranger or find a trap group.

Secret is rangers can solo stuff

you just have to figure out the builds!

you have it better off then mesmers do

But I agree, they can be useful.

Rilder · Feb 09, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Have you ever ran into a ranger spike group while gvging and not being prepared, i was monking in our guilds ally'd guild and we ran into a rank 200 guild (the guild i was guest in being rank 1200) and the enemy team ran a ranger spike.... OUCH...OUCH... OUCH... so yea, rangers own... plus my main chars a ranger

DeanBB · Feb 09, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

There are some very specific farming setups, like Oro in the Furnace, UW, etc and people often won't accept anything that isn't part of the "normal" group. Actually a Barrage ranger would complement a team such as the gear-holding-tank Oro farming squad very nicely and I bet would actually make the trip thru Grenths that much easier.

This same type of mentality occurs with the missions: gotta have 2 warriors, 2 monks, 2 nukers, battery necro, and oh ok I guess the ranger since there's nobody else.

One of my most fun missions was one of the fire island missions with 4 rangers + monk + warrior + 1 other (forget which). We annihalated that mission with the coordinated ranged attacks and interrupts. It was awesome!

Summary: the problem isn't the ranger, it is people stuck in their ways.

By the way, you have a guild listed, what's up with that? No guild mates to team with? Look us up if interested in a change to a more friendly guild. Or chat in-game if you catch me online.

romeo_longsword · Feb 09, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Dean, I agree with you, but as a MORPG, which is about dealing with people, to let others accpect you is to be appealing to others, and with the reasons given the above, Ranger is not appealing.

My guild is fine, one of two has been nice to me enough to team with me, however, even when they decided to farm for themsevles, they too would leave me as a Ranger, this truly shows how useless/value less in a team as a ranger. This does not mean they are a poor guild, in fact, I think my guild is good, just that when it comes to a goal they desire to achieve, they want the right tool, and ranger is not it.

PvP wise, I can never have any luck with dueling with a neco, or make the warriors stop following me, I know its because of me, not so much because of a ranger, but when I see a warrior would take no damage at all while I shooting in his buthole, it make you think a little, rather its the game which favor other classes rather then ranger.

Arturo02 · Feb 09, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Do you have all the ranger skills? And if so, have you tried them ALL out? What about spiking, interrupting, degen, condition, trapper, ettin farming solo, etc...?

Arturo02 · Feb 09, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by romeo_longsword

My guild is fine, one of two has been nice to me enough to team with me, however, even when they decided to farm for themsevles, they too would leave me as a Ranger, this truly shows how useless/value less in a team as a ranger. This does not mean they are a poor guild, in fact, I think my guild is good, just that when it comes to a goal they desire to achieve, they want the right tool, and ranger is not it.

I think your guild sounds a little elitest. They were nice enough to team with you? Part of being in a guild is you help each other out, do things together.

And if they did know anything, they would know a ranger is very useful. Sounds like they are just like the people you say don't want a ranger. And they aren't leaving you to farm because you are a ranger, but because solo gets them more loot.

See, I think what's going on is everyone around you is telling you rangers are unwanted, and they are influencing your thought process. Go get some henchies and play the ranger class by yourself in some zones. Try some different stuff out, experiment. See for yourself if the class is viable or not.

romeo_longsword · Feb 09, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Re: Arturo02.

I know what your suggestion is, but the problem is, no matter hopw my perosnal skill in using the ranger, on a common level, the community of the game world just would not NEED a ranger.

But to answer your question, I have tried all of which you have metioned, but not every single skill there is avilable to a ranger.

Personally, I think it would be good if there is some very important skill to the ranger, which is important in group farming.

Otherwise, ranger would stay un popular.

romeo_longsword · Feb 09, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

I think your guild sounds a little elitest. They were nice enough to team with you? Part of being in a guild is you help each other out, do things together.

And if they did know anything, they would know a ranger is very useful. Sounds like they are just like the people you say don't want a ranger. And they aren't leaving you to farm because you are a ranger, but because solo gets them more loot.

See, I think what's going on is everyone around you is telling you rangers are unwanted, and they are influencing your thought process. Go get some henchies and play the ranger class by yourself in some zones. Try some different stuff out, experiment. See for yourself if the class is viable or not.

I agree with you. Although I dont think my guild being an elitist is a bad thing, GW is a powergame, like many things, nobody want to have somthing that they dont find usful to the guild. They have helped me to do mission while I was at lower level, gave me quite a few good items, and within the guild, there are rarely any asshat, that to me is enough to me.

I can of course solo farming, and try out a few stuff, I have been doing so, but I do however, enjoy a lot more with real people, which is somthing of a MORPG attracts me.

You are right about everyone around me, not so much of "telling", but showing me taht ranger is crap and unneeded. I personal love the style of the character, which I am not going to change just because everyone do not value the ranger, however, if you go to the warcam, look around you, you will find that very less group would fancy a ranger.

DeanBB · Feb 09, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Farming from the war camp is one of those specific "ultimate team" type of scenarios I referred to earlier.

What you need is a team to maximize a ranger's usefulness so look in the ranger board for options, like this one (Tombs farming with 4 rangers):

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=119023

Or how bout this: In the war camp start your own team rather than waiting to be invited by others. Get a tank, MM, monks, and whatever else and head out. Using Barrage and interrupts you will increase the damage output and certainly carry your weight.